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		<title>By: Remmert Braat</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-198997</link>
		<dc:creator>Remmert Braat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think true social marketing hasn&#039;t come about yet. By this I mean sites that leverage the selling power of the networks of their visitors.

Apart from the large social networks which try to be everything to everybody, niche sites are having a hard time tapping in to the social marketing mix. This is partly due do the lack of data portability but also because of the absence of permission systems. Services like friendconnect and so on are going to tackle the former but the latter is going to be the killer that needs to be solved. If you have no way of telling the social mesh who gets to see what (of your data) than I&#039;m afraid opting out is going to be the only viable alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think true social marketing hasn&#8217;t come about yet. By this I mean sites that leverage the selling power of the networks of their visitors.</p>
<p>Apart from the large social networks which try to be everything to everybody, niche sites are having a hard time tapping in to the social marketing mix. This is partly due do the lack of data portability but also because of the absence of permission systems. Services like friendconnect and so on are going to tackle the former but the latter is going to be the killer that needs to be solved. If you have no way of telling the social mesh who gets to see what (of your data) than I&#8217;m afraid opting out is going to be the only viable alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always wanted to say about Web 2.0, &quot;What&#039;s new about that?&quot;
Thanks for your useful picture. Now I get it!

At the birth of the web, the idea (or, the idea I had) was that everyone would be posting their own web pages. Communication would be democratized.

No one would be just a reader, they&#039;d all be readers and writers.  A different version of your picture could show that: one-way communication in and one-way communication out. (Non-web technologies such as Usenet discussion groups could further complicate the picture since they enabled public Internet conversation.)

Alas, it became clear that there would be distinct publishers and consumers in Web 1.0, with most consumers not also publishing.  It was idealistic to think that everyone wanted web pages of their own in this sense, or not to realize that publishers and advertisers would push their agendas into the new media.

Web 2.0 isn&#039;t just an attempt to make it easier for everyone to have a web page of their own. 

It allows a much wider range of participation, as illustrated by another powerful picture from &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.forrester.com/charleneli/2007/04/forresters_new_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forresterâ€™s Social Technographics report&lt;/a&gt;. Hopefully it continues to force change in marketing and advertising.

Sometimes, a couple of pictures really is worth a few thousand words.


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@Graham Strong, Direct Mail gets high response rates because it is so personalized, well tested and targeted. The expense of producing and sending the pieces is so great, they&#039;d never show a return without that level of optimization, and they&#039;ve had many years to perfect their techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wanted to say about Web 2.0, &#8220;What&#8217;s new about that?&#8221;<br />
Thanks for your useful picture. Now I get it!</p>
<p>At the birth of the web, the idea (or, the idea I had) was that everyone would be posting their own web pages. Communication would be democratized.</p>
<p>No one would be just a reader, they&#8217;d all be readers and writers.  A different version of your picture could show that: one-way communication in and one-way communication out. (Non-web technologies such as Usenet discussion groups could further complicate the picture since they enabled public Internet conversation.)</p>
<p>Alas, it became clear that there would be distinct publishers and consumers in Web 1.0, with most consumers not also publishing.  It was idealistic to think that everyone wanted web pages of their own in this sense, or not to realize that publishers and advertisers would push their agendas into the new media.</p>
<p>Web 2.0 isn&#8217;t just an attempt to make it easier for everyone to have a web page of their own. </p>
<p>It allows a much wider range of participation, as illustrated by another powerful picture from <a href="http://blogs.forrester.com/charleneli/2007/04/forresters_new_.html" rel="nofollow">Forresterâ€™s Social Technographics report</a>. Hopefully it continues to force change in marketing and advertising.</p>
<p>Sometimes, a couple of pictures really is worth a few thousand words.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
@Graham Strong, Direct Mail gets high response rates because it is so personalized, well tested and targeted. The expense of producing and sending the pieces is so great, they&#8217;d never show a return without that level of optimization, and they&#8217;ve had many years to perfect their techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: bTINA</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-190785</link>
		<dc:creator>bTINA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very simple but clear and convincing statement to a new development of our conversation in the future. ThanX for your fine explanation! I linked your content to my blog (with reference to your copyright). Hope this is okay for you. bTINA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very simple but clear and convincing statement to a new development of our conversation in the future. ThanX for your fine explanation! I linked your content to my blog (with reference to your copyright). Hope this is okay for you. bTINA</p>
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		<title>By: randulo</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-185907</link>
		<dc:creator>randulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a nice walk-through of the topic. It made me focus immediately on what I like the least about Ning: the feature-poor private messaging, the lack of presence (except through the use of someone else&#039;s chat, like WidgetLaboratories) and the way the forums and blogs work and display. So, now I&#039;m trying to remember why Ning is so successful?
Somehow, the ease of slapping together a social network on Ning has been more important than the actual usefulness of the assembled network!
Ning with a network-linked Twitter-like functionality would be a winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a nice walk-through of the topic. It made me focus immediately on what I like the least about Ning: the feature-poor private messaging, the lack of presence (except through the use of someone else&#8217;s chat, like WidgetLaboratories) and the way the forums and blogs work and display. So, now I&#8217;m trying to remember why Ning is so successful?<br />
Somehow, the ease of slapping together a social network on Ning has been more important than the actual usefulness of the assembled network!<br />
Ning with a network-linked Twitter-like functionality would be a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: nortypig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Illustration of Social Design</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-185310</link>
		<dc:creator>nortypig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Illustration of Social Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those who still don&#8217;t get it, Joshua Porter&#8217;s illustration of social design just might help the penny [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pleasure and Pain &#187; Links from 5/19/2008 to 6/4/2008</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-185195</link>
		<dc:creator>Pleasure and Pain &#187; Links from 5/19/2008 to 6/4/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A simple illustration of social design - Bokardo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EverydayUX: Everyday User Experience by alex rainert &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EverydayUX links for June 3rd through June 4th</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-184935</link>
		<dc:creator>EverydayUX: Everyday User Experience by alex rainert &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EverydayUX links for June 3rd through June 4th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A simple illustration of social design - BokardoGood post on the evolution of social design - starting with bulletin boards. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A simple illustration of social design &#8211; BokardoGood post on the evolution of social design &#8211; starting with bulletin boards. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Strong</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-183820</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been pondering social marketing and &quot;interactivity&quot; of the Internet myself lately. Many marketers believe that social marketing can never truly be achieved, not in any consistent fashion anyway. I don&#039;t believe this myself -- I&#039;ve seen too many examples of how social media can spread the word quickly.

I am surprised at the stats though. Direct mail still leads the pack in terms of response rate (while the lowly-old banner ad, apparently, has a response rate somewhere around 0.2%...) But I do think this is where the future, including those mini-sites that are popping up all over the place.

Interactivity, in my mind, is what the Internet is all about. I think it is going to happen anyway (that&#039;s the social media part) but the trick for social marketers is to somehow direct the conversation. And as consumers become more savvy (and more jaded) I think the challenge increases, not decreases, as social media progresses.

Thanks for providing a positive viewpoint!

~Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been pondering social marketing and &#8220;interactivity&#8221; of the Internet myself lately. Many marketers believe that social marketing can never truly be achieved, not in any consistent fashion anyway. I don&#8217;t believe this myself &#8212; I&#8217;ve seen too many examples of how social media can spread the word quickly.</p>
<p>I am surprised at the stats though. Direct mail still leads the pack in terms of response rate (while the lowly-old banner ad, apparently, has a response rate somewhere around 0.2%&#8230;) But I do think this is where the future, including those mini-sites that are popping up all over the place.</p>
<p>Interactivity, in my mind, is what the Internet is all about. I think it is going to happen anyway (that&#8217;s the social media part) but the trick for social marketers is to somehow direct the conversation. And as consumers become more savvy (and more jaded) I think the challenge increases, not decreases, as social media progresses.</p>
<p>Thanks for providing a positive viewpoint!</p>
<p>~Graham</p>
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		<title>By: Social Design&#8217;s Fourth Wave &#124; Socialmediaworx</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/a-simple-illustration-of-social-design/#comment-183602</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Design&#8217;s Fourth Wave &#124; Socialmediaworx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joshua Porter breaks down social design into three eras, and suggests a fourth stage - where we find ourselves today: Additionally, much of the current evolution of social software is in improving the communication between people who provide a service and people who use a service. This is what I think is meant by â€œsocial media marketingâ€. This is somewhat of the fourth waveâ€¦when social applications not only improve the conversations between people using the site, but between people who provide the site and those who use it. (Tearing down the firewall isnâ€™t easy) While email has done much of the heavy lifting here for many years, the mere act of putting these conversations public changes further interaction around them, while scaring the wits out of executives who worry that negative conversation will bring down their empire. (What they donâ€™t count on are the fans they have who defend them) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joshua Porter breaks down social design into three eras, and suggests a fourth stage &#8211; where we find ourselves today: Additionally, much of the current evolution of social software is in improving the communication between people who provide a service and people who use a service. This is what I think is meant by â€œsocial media marketingâ€. This is somewhat of the fourth waveâ€¦when social applications not only improve the conversations between people using the site, but between people who provide the site and those who use it. (Tearing down the firewall isnâ€™t easy) While email has done much of the heavy lifting here for many years, the mere act of putting these conversations public changes further interaction around them, while scaring the wits out of executives who worry that negative conversation will bring down their empire. (What they donâ€™t count on are the fans they have who defend them) [...]</p>
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