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		<title>By: brigandscache.com &#187; Domain as Identity Getting Closer to Real</title>
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		<dc:creator>brigandscache.com &#187; Domain as Identity Getting Closer to Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 12:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Domain as Identity Getting Closer to Real Brian Oberkirch has a nice post about how we need OpenID to corral the proliferation of identity information out there on the Web. The problems are real: Too many accounts and logins The social networks have really exacerbated the problem. Before, we had accounts for many things, like shopping, banking, email, etc. But when social networks came [&#8230;] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Domain as Identity Getting Closer to Real Brian Oberkirch has a nice post about how we need OpenID to corral the proliferation of identity information out there on the Web. The problems are real: Too many accounts and logins The social networks have really exacerbated the problem. Before, we had accounts for many things, like shopping, banking, email, etc. But when social networks came [&#8230;] [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>hansons international technology pvt. ltd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: esaudi.info</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ABrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tcboy23</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flat &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Vimeo&#8217;s simple signup</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/domain-as-identity-getting-closer-to-real/#comment-103235</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: More musings on identity from Tim O&#8217;Reilly and Joshua Porter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: More musings on identity from Tim O&#8217;Reilly and Joshua Porter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tegan Dowling</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/domain-as-identity-getting-closer-to-real/#comment-103213</link>
		<dc:creator>Tegan Dowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Peter Parkes' question about inames, in his post above?  Looks to the non-specialist like this is an idea that's already been worked-through at inames.net.  No?

I hope to see this settled in an inter-operable way soon, because I want to see the "reputation economy" (like Cory Doctorow's "Whuffie") begin to catch hold, so that I can get a general opinion on the credibility, reliability and general legitimacy of a company, person, location etc.  And if that's what Whuffie Beta will look like, then the release version would also allow me to weight the accumulated score for something based on how well the 'voters' know their stuff, and whether they have similar values to mine. So if the entity is a Mexican restaurant, for instance, the score I use might give more weight to the opinions of Mexicans, and chefs, and other people who like spicy food, and less to the opinions of people who think highly of the food at McDonalds. OR if the entity is a person, I might give more weight to his/her neighbors, and less to people whom I dislike.  

This will obviously work best once there are many, many people expressing their opinions of everything all of the time, in a way that feeds the tabulator mechanism instantly and automatically.  Pieces of it are already "out there", but we need this universal identifier before it can really begin to jell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Peter Parkes&#8217; question about inames, in his post above?  Looks to the non-specialist like this is an idea that&#8217;s already been worked-through at inames.net.  No?</p>
<p>I hope to see this settled in an inter-operable way soon, because I want to see the &#8220;reputation economy&#8221; (like Cory Doctorow&#8217;s &#8220;Whuffie&#8221;) begin to catch hold, so that I can get a general opinion on the credibility, reliability and general legitimacy of a company, person, location etc.  And if that&#8217;s what Whuffie Beta will look like, then the release version would also allow me to weight the accumulated score for something based on how well the &#8216;voters&#8217; know their stuff, and whether they have similar values to mine. So if the entity is a Mexican restaurant, for instance, the score I use might give more weight to the opinions of Mexicans, and chefs, and other people who like spicy food, and less to the opinions of people who think highly of the food at McDonalds. OR if the entity is a person, I might give more weight to his/her neighbors, and less to people whom I dislike.  </p>
<p>This will obviously work best once there are many, many people expressing their opinions of everything all of the time, in a way that feeds the tabulator mechanism instantly and automatically.  Pieces of it are already &#8220;out there&#8221;, but we need this universal identifier before it can really begin to jell.</p>
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		<title>By: rzklkng</title>
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		<dc:creator>rzklkng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not integrate identity transparency into authority rankings?  A comments made by a tangible "real" person, vouched for by others, has more authority than someone posting psuedonymously, who has more authority than someone posting anonymously.
Someone who makes a statement and is willing to stand behind it should be incentivized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not integrate identity transparency into authority rankings?  A comments made by a tangible &#8220;real&#8221; person, vouched for by others, has more authority than someone posting psuedonymously, who has more authority than someone posting anonymously.<br />
Someone who makes a statement and is willing to stand behind it should be incentivized.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/domain-as-identity-getting-closer-to-real/#comment-99917</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a lot like what the semantic web people are always going on about with RDF - relationships between people and places and things and organizations mapped by URLs. 

Linking your ID to a URL is hard to imagine for most people. Email addresses are also unique, services that could map email addresses to IDs might do the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a lot like what the semantic web people are always going on about with RDF - relationships between people and places and things and organizations mapped by URLs. </p>
<p>Linking your ID to a URL is hard to imagine for most people. Email addresses are also unique, services that could map email addresses to IDs might do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Migurski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal Migurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh: you're right, I expanded on my comment here: http://mike.teczno.com/notes/openid-again.html

Not sure what a more appropriate wider forum is. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh: you&#8217;re right, I expanded on my comment here: <a href="http://mike.teczno.com/notes/openid-again.html" rel="nofollow">http://mike.teczno.com/notes/openid-again.html</a></p>
<p>Not sure what a more appropriate wider forum is. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Shimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 05:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't beleive that it will work better than what we have today working. Everything becomes disappointing in 1-2 years as it also becomes a target for spam and all such stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t beleive that it will work better than what we have today working. Everything becomes disappointing in 1-2 years as it also becomes a target for spam and all such stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michal, you bring up a very interesting point. I actually wondered about that myself, and figured that the OpenID stuff would be rather low-end...non-critical applications that don't involve credit cards and the like. 

I think you should publish your considerations on a wider forum, though. It's definitely good food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michal, you bring up a very interesting point. I actually wondered about that myself, and figured that the OpenID stuff would be rather low-end&#8230;non-critical applications that don&#8217;t involve credit cards and the like. </p>
<p>I think you should publish your considerations on a wider forum, though. It&#8217;s definitely good food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvy</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/domain-as-identity-getting-closer-to-real/#comment-99451</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goog point. But remember that nobody really &lt;b&gt;owns&lt;/b&gt; a domain. Everybody is just &lt;b&gt;renting&lt;/b&gt; domains from the different official providers. Tying your personal or business information to something rented may be not such a good idea. But anyway, it will be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goog point. But remember that nobody really <b>owns</b> a domain. Everybody is just <b>renting</b> domains from the different official providers. Tying your personal or business information to something rented may be not such a good idea. But anyway, it will be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michal Migurski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal Migurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenID introduces a single point of failure to web-based accounts in order to solve a complete non-problem. Just one account will need to be cracked or exposed by corrupt employees to gain login privileges and view private information on any linked account. I'm surprised that it's gaining so much political traction so soon after breaches like 2005's ChoicePoint debacle. Why are so many smart people jumping on this solution the utter non-problem of "lots of accounts", when software like OS X Keychain provides a SECURE, LOCAL approach?

Some possible unintended consequences of OpenID: LittleguyWebsite starts an OpenID service, but gets compromised; how does this affect ID consumers who may want to know they now have a wolf in sheep's clothing? SomeBigCo decides not to accept OpenID's from LittleguyWebsite for this reason; running your own OpenID server is useless because it will be treated like a photocopied drivers license. Users in need of "identity" start using SomeBigCo for their OpenID's; SomeBigCo knows about your SomeBigCo accounts, your OtherBigCo accounts, and all your LittleCo accounts, and sits on a goldmine of valuable consumer data its shareholders demand to see monetized. OtherBigCo is unhappy that SomeBigCo knows its users' account details, so it refuses to accept SomeBigCo's OpenID's and insists on just its own. This is the exact situation we're in now, except a ton of energy and effort has been wasted to get there.

Basically, I don't believe that Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft are going to end up accepting any OpenID's but their own. This isn't even a problem because **it's a good thing** that all these companies can't reliably correlate my identity across services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenID introduces a single point of failure to web-based accounts in order to solve a complete non-problem. Just one account will need to be cracked or exposed by corrupt employees to gain login privileges and view private information on any linked account. I&#8217;m surprised that it&#8217;s gaining so much political traction so soon after breaches like 2005&#8217;s ChoicePoint debacle. Why are so many smart people jumping on this solution the utter non-problem of &#8220;lots of accounts&#8221;, when software like OS X Keychain provides a SECURE, LOCAL approach?</p>
<p>Some possible unintended consequences of OpenID: LittleguyWebsite starts an OpenID service, but gets compromised; how does this affect ID consumers who may want to know they now have a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing? SomeBigCo decides not to accept OpenID&#8217;s from LittleguyWebsite for this reason; running your own OpenID server is useless because it will be treated like a photocopied drivers license. Users in need of &#8220;identity&#8221; start using SomeBigCo for their OpenID&#8217;s; SomeBigCo knows about your SomeBigCo accounts, your OtherBigCo accounts, and all your LittleCo accounts, and sits on a goldmine of valuable consumer data its shareholders demand to see monetized. OtherBigCo is unhappy that SomeBigCo knows its users&#8217; account details, so it refuses to accept SomeBigCo&#8217;s OpenID&#8217;s and insists on just its own. This is the exact situation we&#8217;re in now, except a ton of energy and effort has been wasted to get there.</p>
<p>Basically, I don&#8217;t believe that Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft are going to end up accepting any OpenID&#8217;s but their own. This isn&#8217;t even a problem because **it&#8217;s a good thing** that all these companies can&#8217;t reliably correlate my identity across services.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew...I actually don't know what I meant by that. ..certainly our identity is multi-faceted and complex...I was referring to the tendency for schemes that map a single person's identity to a URL (like OpenID). 

Maybe I'll take it out so as to not confuse...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew&#8230;I actually don&#8217;t know what I meant by that. ..certainly our identity is multi-faceted and complex&#8230;I was referring to the tendency for schemes that map a single person&#8217;s identity to a URL (like OpenID). </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll take it out so as to not confuse&#8230;</p>
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