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By: B:datenbrei » Blog Archive » readinglist backlog as of today

B:datenbrei » Blog Archive » readinglist backlog as of today — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:16:50 +0000

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By: Library clips :: Grazing Lists :: February :: 2006

Library clips :: Grazing Lists :: February :: 2006 — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:34:56 +0000

[...] Check on the sidebar of this blog, and you will see a hack for a Tech. Memeorandum Reading List…Bokardo is also talking about it…here is a link to the Grazing List hack. [...]

By: Alex Barnett blog : Reading Lists (OPML) podcast : Danny Ayers and Adam Green

Alex Barnett blog : Reading Lists (OPML) podcast : Danny Ayers and Adam Green — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:07:17 +0000

[...] Reading Lists (OPML) podcast : Danny Ayers and Adam Green Last year Dave Winer started to push the idea of Reading Lists for RSS. More recently, the idea of Feed Grazing (or Grazing Lists / Glists) has been kicking around. Its likely that Reading Lists support will become a common feature of Feed Readers / Aggregators. I think this space is getting interesting, so does Joshua Porter. So we thought we’d invite two people who’ve been giving plenty of thought to this area, Danny Ayers (I can spell his surname correctly these days) and Adam Green to join us for a podcast on the topic (.mp3 43 mins, 11mb) . We also invite James Corbett, who’s been doing a great deal with Readings Lists and Feed Grazing, but unfortunately could not join us. I’ve been following Danny Ayers’ blog (Raw) for some time. Danny is a Semantic Web developer and technical author and co-author of Beginning RSS and ATOM Programming (which you’ll find at practically every bookstore that has a Computers / Software section). We touched on the Semantic Web in the podcast. Adam Green started programming in 1980, is co-founder and CTO at Andover.Net (later acquired by VA Linux in 2000 – hey Adam, buy me a beer…;-) and now a full time technical blogger at Darwinian Web. Thanks to Danny and Adam for their time today. As usual, notes and links to related stuff below. Enjoy. Reading Lists (OPML) podcast : Danny Ayers and Adam Green with Joshua Porter and Alex Barnett download (.mp3 43 mins, 11mb) .Notes: What are Reading Lists? Why are we getting excited about Reading Lists (04:23) Dynamic Reading Lists (06:50) Feed Grazing and River of Feeds model (08:30) Danny on OPML – here under false pretences Feed Readers as Data Browsers (12;20) Dynamic Reading Lists and Feed Grazing based on Attention data – Attention intersection has to come soon (14:15) Dynamic Reading Lists and Grazing Lists are the same thing (but different) (16:35) Hierarchies, feed lists in RDF and the Semantic Web (Let’s re-invent Gopher!) (18:50) OPML Sampling: J Wynia’s OPML Sampler (23:30) Reading Lists as programmed content by others – Top 10 Sources (25:00??) Dynamic Reading Lists as Attention-based recommendation system (27:30) The Web as a data web, Semantic Web RSS readers/aggregators as Semantic Data Web browser (SPARQL / RDF) (33:00) OPML, RSS, Reading Lists and simplicity (35:30) Where’s the Semantic Web Demo? (37:30) Summing up (41:00) Bonus links: It’s going to be a big year for OPML and It’s going to be a big year for HTML. End (45:30) (I didn’t cut the bit at the end of the session as I got a chance to ask Danny about Italy and Derbyshire – these two places rarely mentioned in the same sentence so I thought I’d keep for posterity – Tags: RSS, OPML, Reading Lists, Semantic Web, RDF, Attention, Web 2.0, podcast, web, tech Filed Under: Web, Tech, RSS, Web 2.0, OPML, Attention [...]

By: Danny

Danny — Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:37:28 +0000

You have a good point. I would suggest the solution to relevance in this situation is to gather as much information as is available about the memeorandum post, going well beyond just the URI of the target blog. There’s no reason that the computer couldn’t also get the tags/categories of the post in question, query on them in del.cio.us and return related items. Or grab the XFN/FOAF profile of the person that made the post, and see if they and yourself have any friends in common or…

Although the notion of reading lists does bring the dynamic nature of the material to the fore, OPML isn’t adequate for representing the variety of information that is potentially available. I would recommend Semantic Web technologies, which were have been designed explicitly for the purpose of knowledge representation on the web. I’ll also note in passing that BlogDigger already provides an OCS representation of (potentially dynamic) feed groups which could be immediately integrated with material like FOAF.

By: matt

matt — Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:03:22 +0000

There is another cool news and blog aggregrator, Megite

By: Matt Terenzio

Matt Terenzio — Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:42:46 +0000

Josh raises some good questions here. I don'tr completely agree but I'm not sure we disagree either. Another way to look at reading lists here.

By: everybuddy.org » Are reading lists dynamic? Hell yeah.

everybuddy.org » Are reading lists dynamic? Hell yeah. — Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:40:13 +0000

[...] Josh Porter contends that he’s interested in the post at this point, not the feed, which questions the usefulness of an OPML reading list. [...]

By: Marshall Kirkpatrick

Marshall Kirkpatrick — Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:20:29 +0000

This is well put. There was some interesting discussion about reading memorandum via feed on the latest Gilmor Gang too. It seems we're getting closer to a satisfactory solution. To be honest I still think static OPML files are very important in certain circomstances. For example, I recently scraped the news pages of 4 or 5 international free speech advocacy groups that didn't have feeds and posted those in an OPML format. But I would like to see something that combines the meme finding idea of memorandum with the link tracking possibilities of technorati and the perishability of feeds that Nicole Simon of Bloxpert mentioned in a recent podcast interview with Bloglines' Mark Fletcher last month. She asked why feeds couldn't be subscribed to on a perishable basis. After a short period of time subscribers would be asked if they wish to remain subscribed to the feed - otherwise it would be deleted. But all of this being based on posts not feeds as the basic unit sounds like a very good option to have.