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		<title>By: Cossacks Breaking News &#187; Opting Out of Facebook&#8217;s Disruptive Ad Model</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cossacks Breaking News &#187; Opting Out of Facebook&#8217;s Disruptive Ad Model</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: designmartini &#187; Facebook’s Brilliant but Evil design</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-153611</link>
		<dc:creator>designmartini &#187; Facebook’s Brilliant but Evil design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook’s Brilliant but Evil designVia Bokardo - Social Design by Joshua Porter    Tags: link &#124; Posted by Marci on 12/18/2007   Post a comment  &#124;  Trackback  &#124; Permalink &#124; Share      &#171; Is formal education important? The evil of dropdown, flyout and pop-up menus &#187; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: designmartini &#187; Facebook’s Brilliant but Evil design</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-153610</link>
		<dc:creator>designmartini &#187; Facebook’s Brilliant but Evil design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Łukasz Nowak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Łukasz Nowak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Poland we've got the same problem with polish "facebook" - 6 milion users - nasza-klasa.pl not really care about users privacy, and who knows what they do with that data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Poland we&#8217;ve got the same problem with polish &#8220;facebook&#8221; - 6 milion users - nasza-klasa.pl not really care about users privacy, and who knows what they do with that data.</p>
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		<title>By: sanjay</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-150273</link>
		<dc:creator>sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Informative post.

I agree that fb trades on member behaviour not altering default settings. While you could argue that privacy settings on fb are becoming fine-grained, it relies on the ordinary member to actively alter them. And that doesn't take account of what happens to member data when it 'leaks'... See &lt;a href="http://antibabel.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/is-facebook-evil-privacy-leaks-data-flows-and-conspiracy-theories/" rel="nofollow"&gt; Is Facebook Evil? privacy leaks, data flows and conspiracy theories&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Informative post.</p>
<p>I agree that fb trades on member behaviour not altering default settings. While you could argue that privacy settings on fb are becoming fine-grained, it relies on the ordinary member to actively alter them. And that doesn&#8217;t take account of what happens to member data when it &#8216;leaks&#8217;&#8230; See <a href="http://antibabel.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/is-facebook-evil-privacy-leaks-data-flows-and-conspiracy-theories/" rel="nofollow"> Is Facebook Evil? privacy leaks, data flows and conspiracy theories</a></p>
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		<title>By: leinad</title>
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		<dc:creator>leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell thee the world is evil we are being watched. Ya gotta laugh as check it out they changed our language to shrt hand text. Then they put spyware in my machine and followed my cookies. If only Bin Laden logged on at the local libary the whole world and blockbuster would be able to pinpoint him and know what films he liked. Anyways follow the link and it will show you the darkside of this site. Me thinks I would write my dissertation on something like this. Is modern day business going unchecked what are the ethical problems posed by capitalist markets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell thee the world is evil we are being watched. Ya gotta laugh as check it out they changed our language to shrt hand text. Then they put spyware in my machine and followed my cookies. If only Bin Laden logged on at the local libary the whole world and blockbuster would be able to pinpoint him and know what films he liked. Anyways follow the link and it will show you the darkside of this site. Me thinks I would write my dissertation on something like this. Is modern day business going unchecked what are the ethical problems posed by capitalist markets?</p>
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		<title>By: Gazeteler</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-149916</link>
		<dc:creator>Gazeteler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Facebook offers really good privacy settings for friends and groups. They should offer the same set of privacy settings for 3rd parties. You should be able to say “never share any of my information outside of Facebook ever”. This should be the default!"

That's why i'm not member of Facebook or any other Social Networking site. am i paranoid ? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Facebook offers really good privacy settings for friends and groups. They should offer the same set of privacy settings for 3rd parties. You should be able to say “never share any of my information outside of Facebook ever”. This should be the default!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why i&#8217;m not member of Facebook or any other Social Networking site. am i paranoid ? <img src='http://bokardo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: iNSiPiD</title>
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		<dc:creator>iNSiPiD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not only legal, it's happening all the time. Most users apply the same email address (and even password!) to every new online account they setup. Be it Facebook, PayPal, eBay, Hotmail...the list goes on.

This gives &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; average hacker (or unscrupulous site owner) enormous power to exploit these accounts and the information they might contain.

For people who work in large organisations, email addresses and IP addresses are not usually shielded while browsing (silly, I know).

But even for those who adopt some level of obfuscation are kidding themselves if they think they are safe.

Despite comments above, they don't need your email address. It is only sufficient that you have a current session open (read: are logged in) with any of the above providers for someone to access that information through a beacon.

Beware the "Remember me" checkbox!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not only legal, it&#8217;s happening all the time. Most users apply the same email address (and even password!) to every new online account they setup. Be it Facebook, PayPal, eBay, Hotmail&#8230;the list goes on.</p>
<p>This gives <em>any</em> average hacker (or unscrupulous site owner) enormous power to exploit these accounts and the information they might contain.</p>
<p>For people who work in large organisations, email addresses and IP addresses are not usually shielded while browsing (silly, I know).</p>
<p>But even for those who adopt some level of obfuscation are kidding themselves if they think they are safe.</p>
<p>Despite comments above, they don&#8217;t need your email address. It is only sufficient that you have a current session open (read: are logged in) with any of the above providers for someone to access that information through a beacon.</p>
<p>Beware the &#8220;Remember me&#8221; checkbox!</p>
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		<title>By: Pauric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil's advocate: I'll point to the philosopher John Loche's (1632-1704) thinking on community and security;

He believed that we create a social contract when we form a community/society, whereby we cede certain natural rights to an authority in return for security and other guarantees. 

Locke's argument is that any fair social contract must have certain qualities: It must respect its citizens rights to life, liberty, and property. If these rights are violated, we are entitled to rebel against the authority.  

These rebellions have happened in the past at Digg and Facebook when they added functionality that was perceived to be in violation of user's expected rights.  

Facebook is a free service so we can assume some give &#38; take in the relationship with its users.  The pill has been sweetened with the the clever social design that masks what is going.  

In the grand scheme of things, is facebook being evil or simply getting a little ROI from the social contract?  They've held up their part of the deal, now we need to start paying (o;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s advocate: I&#8217;ll point to the philosopher John Loche&#8217;s (1632-1704) thinking on community and security;</p>
<p>He believed that we create a social contract when we form a community/society, whereby we cede certain natural rights to an authority in return for security and other guarantees. </p>
<p>Locke&#8217;s argument is that any fair social contract must have certain qualities: It must respect its citizens rights to life, liberty, and property. If these rights are violated, we are entitled to rebel against the authority.  </p>
<p>These rebellions have happened in the past at Digg and Facebook when they added functionality that was perceived to be in violation of user&#8217;s expected rights.  </p>
<p>Facebook is a free service so we can assume some give &amp; take in the relationship with its users.  The pill has been sweetened with the the clever social design that masks what is going.  </p>
<p>In the grand scheme of things, is facebook being evil or simply getting a little ROI from the social contract?  They&#8217;ve held up their part of the deal, now we need to start paying (o;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick P</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-149758</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lucy... this can't be on Cookie alone.

Imagine the following scenario: I have a facebook profile, the cookie is stored on my PC. The next day my wife goes online and purchases some lingerie and the 3rd party sends that purchase information to facebook. Except my wife doesn't have a facebook account and it appears on my profile. It then appears that I've been purchasing lingerie to all my facebook friends and colleagues.

Of course this is just one example. Surely it must be also using a common email address to avoid this shared computer/multiple facebook account families and so surely the obvious answer is to use a difference email address for facebook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lucy&#8230; this can&#8217;t be on Cookie alone.</p>
<p>Imagine the following scenario: I have a facebook profile, the cookie is stored on my PC. The next day my wife goes online and purchases some lingerie and the 3rd party sends that purchase information to facebook. Except my wife doesn&#8217;t have a facebook account and it appears on my profile. It then appears that I&#8217;ve been purchasing lingerie to all my facebook friends and colleagues.</p>
<p>Of course this is just one example. Surely it must be also using a common email address to avoid this shared computer/multiple facebook account families and so surely the obvious answer is to use a difference email address for facebook?</p>
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		<title>By: peter caputa</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-149741</link>
		<dc:creator>peter caputa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh. Brilliant piece. Was going to quote something on my blog and link back. But, couldn't decide what to quote. 

I think you could spend a few weeks chunking this one up into digestable pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh. Brilliant piece. Was going to quote something on my blog and link back. But, couldn&#8217;t decide what to quote. </p>
<p>I think you could spend a few weeks chunking this one up into digestable pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill H-D</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-149670</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill H-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, my man, these last two posts are truly outstanding work. I hope this stuff is going in the book. And if not, I gotta say that your chops are better than they've ever been, so the book is going to be outstanding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, my man, these last two posts are truly outstanding work. I hope this stuff is going in the book. And if not, I gotta say that your chops are better than they&#8217;ve ever been, so the book is going to be outstanding!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul P</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-149659</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing to add -- just a note of thanks. You're writing the best stuff on social design that I've stumbled across yet. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing to add &#8212; just a note of thanks. You&#8217;re writing the best stuff on social design that I&#8217;ve stumbled across yet. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: pepelicious</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/facebooks-brilliant-but-evil-design/#comment-149647</link>
		<dc:creator>pepelicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh-

Thanks again for another great post. I've been following the privacy issues surrounding Facebook, from SocialAds to emoployees accessing user profiles, on the blogosphere. I'm curious as to why this hasn't really bubbled up in to the mainstream media. They seem to be the teflon social network.

But why?

I have a feeling that is has a lot to do with Facebook being the social network your friendly dictator would love you to be a member of. The casually forced transparency is chillingly similar to communist regimes of the cold war era where nothing went unoticed by the leaders or your friends or your neighbors. I'd hate to see the point where *not* having a Facebook is an indicator that you must have somethig to hide.

ok i'll admit that sounds kooky, maybe i should put down my kundera and kosinsky :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh-</p>
<p>Thanks again for another great post. I&#8217;ve been following the privacy issues surrounding Facebook, from SocialAds to emoployees accessing user profiles, on the blogosphere. I&#8217;m curious as to why this hasn&#8217;t really bubbled up in to the mainstream media. They seem to be the teflon social network.</p>
<p>But why?</p>
<p>I have a feeling that is has a lot to do with Facebook being the social network your friendly dictator would love you to be a member of. The casually forced transparency is chillingly similar to communist regimes of the cold war era where nothing went unoticed by the leaders or your friends or your neighbors. I&#8217;d hate to see the point where *not* having a Facebook is an indicator that you must have somethig to hide.</p>
<p>ok i&#8217;ll admit that sounds kooky, maybe i should put down my kundera and kosinsky <img src='http://bokardo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally signed up for Facebook after weeks of friends sending me invite requests. I find it kinda boring. haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally signed up for Facebook after weeks of friends sending me invite requests. I find it kinda boring. haha</p>
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