Comments on: Find the Edge of Attention http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/ Interface Design & UX by Joshua Porter Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:28:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jeremy http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-71201 Jeremy Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:17:21 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-71201 How often have you felt distracted in meetings or facing the challenge of keeping someones attention. How often have you felt distracted in meetings or facing the challenge of keeping someones attention.

]]> By: John B. http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-14890 John B. Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:29:00 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-14890 Compete.com is already aggregating Attention streams of many to create data points that can be leveraged by individuals (i.e. data points to help individuals make informed decisions). Check out their app at home.compete.com Compete.com is already aggregating Attention streams of many to create data points that can be leveraged by individuals (i.e. data points to help individuals make informed decisions). Check out their app at home.compete.com

]]> By: Steve Sherlock http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-12910 Steve Sherlock Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:15:18 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-12910 How about using the data to help focus individual work? As a personal productivity tool or plugin to your current task or project list. If you set your objectives/goals, then go about your work (hopefully on task), you could get confirmation that indeed your work was exactly towards the achievement of a goal for this amount of time, and yes, the deviations due to checking the World Cup scores were "not productive time". Thoughts? I would prefer the desktop version instead of proceeding down the "big brother's watching" path. How about using the data to help focus individual work? As a personal productivity tool or plugin to your current task or project list. If you set your objectives/goals, then go about your work (hopefully on task), you could get confirmation that indeed your work was exactly towards the achievement of a goal for this amount of time, and yes, the deviations due to checking the World Cup scores were “not productive time”. Thoughts?

I would prefer the desktop version instead of proceeding down the “big brother’s watching” path.

]]> By: Daniel Szuc http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-12111 Daniel Szuc Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:57:24 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-12111 Suggest that disruptive technologies are also harming attention outside of using the computer. Emails coming into the inbox, mobile phone calls, Instant Messages etc. How often have you felt distracted in meetings or facing the challenge of keeping someones attention. Have also noticed how the generation who grew up with internet and computers are able to multi task easily ... is this a good thing though? Suggest that disruptive technologies are also harming attention outside of using the computer. Emails coming into the inbox, mobile phone calls, Instant Messages etc. How often have you felt distracted in meetings or facing the challenge of keeping someones attention. Have also noticed how the generation who grew up with internet and computers are able to multi task easily … is this a good thing though?

]]> By: Ed Batista http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11972 Ed Batista Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:25:53 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11972 Agreed. Will drop you a line to schedule a call. Ed Agreed. Will drop you a line to schedule a call.

Ed

]]> By: Josh http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11970 Josh Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:50:51 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11970 Ed, I think we're along the same spectrum here, I'm just more pessimistic about the value we can derive from clickstreams, that's all. I think you're right in that we can infer something...probably even enough to advertise on, maybe interest-level, say. But intention is another, more complex animal. I've sat in on user tests where I couldn't even figure out what they were doing, even as they verbally tried to explain it! So, you're right, we're just disagreeing on "how much". Sure, I'm up for a podcast anytime. Ed, I think we’re along the same spectrum here, I’m just more pessimistic about the value we can derive from clickstreams, that’s all.

I think you’re right in that we can infer something…probably even enough to advertise on, maybe interest-level, say. But intention is another, more complex animal. I’ve sat in on user tests where I couldn’t even figure out what they were doing, even as they verbally tried to explain it! So, you’re right, we’re just disagreeing on “how much”.

Sure, I’m up for a podcast anytime.

]]> By: Ed Batista http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11962 Ed Batista Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:47:19 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11962 Sorry you had a problem at our site, Josh. Could you email me details so I can try to diagnose? I have no expertise in data analysis, but I'm surprised that you don't think patterns that reflect a user's intentions couldn't be extracted from a sufficient amount of clickstream data. (I realize that begs the questions, "How much is sufficient?" and "If it's difficult to reach sufficiency, is there a shortcut?") As I said in my post, I personally believe that widely adopted attention systems will rely on a combination of implicit and explicit gestures. But I have concerns about ways in which explicit gestures can be manipulated, and, my lack of expertise notwithstanding, I'm not willing to write off the utility of implicit gestures just yet. Lots to discuss further here--let's do a podcast. Next week sometime? Ed Sorry you had a problem at our site, Josh. Could you email me details so I can try to diagnose?

I have no expertise in data analysis, but I’m surprised that you don’t think patterns that reflect a user’s intentions couldn’t be extracted from a sufficient amount of clickstream data. (I realize that begs the questions, “How much is sufficient?” and “If it’s difficult to reach sufficiency, is there a shortcut?”)

As I said in my post, I personally believe that widely adopted attention systems will rely on a combination of implicit and explicit gestures. But I have concerns about ways in which explicit gestures can be manipulated, and, my lack of expertise notwithstanding, I’m not willing to write off the utility of implicit gestures just yet.

Lots to discuss further here–let’s do a podcast. Next week sometime?

Ed

]]> By: Josh http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11947 Josh Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:28:13 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11947 Thanks for responding, Ed. Had a bit of an issue leaving a comment over there, so I'll leave a shortened one it here. My major question is: What can you infer from aggregating clickstreams? Clickstreams are like roads. You know where somebody has been, but what exactly were they doing there? Thanks for responding, Ed. Had a bit of an issue leaving a comment over there, so I’ll leave a shortened one it here.

My major question is: What can you infer from aggregating clickstreams?

Clickstreams are like roads. You know where somebody has been, but what exactly were they doing there?

]]> By: Element55: Automatic Time Capture » Element55 Discussed by A-List Bloggers http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11938 Element55: Automatic Time Capture » Element55 Discussed by A-List Bloggers Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:03:14 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11938 [...] Zero Click Time Capture was the subject of a recent post by noted blogger Josh Porter entitled Find the Edge of Attention. [...] [...] Zero Click Time Capture was the subject of a recent post by noted blogger Josh Porter entitled Find the Edge of Attention. [...]

]]> By: Ed Batista http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11934 Ed Batista Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:25:47 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11934 I agree with Matt, Josh--great post, although I take issue with some of your assertions. (Further thoughts at http://attentiontrust.org/node/341.) I also strongly concur with Matt that "attention affinity groups" will be key. The ability to correlate our individual attention data with data from a one or another community that we select contextually will be essential. Sometimes I'll want to compare my data with the world's data, sometimes with one of my social networks, sometimes with my co-workers, sometimes with my close friends and family. Ed Batista AttentionTrust I agree with Matt, Josh–great post, although I take issue with some of your assertions. (Further thoughts at http://attentiontrust.org/node/341.)

I also strongly concur with Matt that “attention affinity groups” will be key. The ability to correlate our individual attention data with data from a one or another community that we select contextually will be essential. Sometimes I’ll want to compare my data with the world’s data, sometimes with one of my social networks, sometimes with my co-workers, sometimes with my close friends and family.

Ed Batista
AttentionTrust

]]> By: Josh http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11930 Josh Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:52:09 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11930 Certainly! Yes, thanks for adding that point, Matt. Certainly! Yes, thanks for adding that point, Matt.

]]> By: Matt Terenzio http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11929 Matt Terenzio Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:51:52 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/find-the-edge-of-attention/#comment-11929 That's a great post. I do, however think there is an Attention problem right now for RSS subscribers that is not about marketing or recommendations. It's about scarcity of time. I'm only a medium-level subscriber with about 50 or 60 feeds, and I find that, coupled with email, a challenge to keep up with. So, even if I want new recommendations, I also need a trusted filter to save me time. I think attention affinity groups might help here . That’s a great post.
I do, however think there is an Attention problem right now for RSS subscribers that is not about marketing or recommendations. It’s about scarcity of time.
I’m only a medium-level subscriber with about 50 or 60 feeds, and I find that, coupled with email, a challenge to keep up with.
So, even if I want new recommendations, I also need a trusted filter to save me time.
I think attention affinity groups might help here .

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