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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-289842</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: search, I use Twitter in 2 ways.  For real-time, breaking news or info then Twitter is my first port of call.  Google is hours behind and can&#039;t compete.

If I&#039;m looking for info into a product then I&#039;ll use a mix of Twitter and Google to get reviews and personal comments about the product.

I don&#039;t see Twitter and Facebook being Google-killers but I do see them pinching some of their market share over time.

One benefit that Google has is that there is no set-up time required.  Both Facebook and Twitter require you to add and find friends before you can use it.  With Google you just fire up the site and do the search.  No registration required.  That&#039;s a pretty big benefit that Google has over these other guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: search, I use Twitter in 2 ways.  For real-time, breaking news or info then Twitter is my first port of call.  Google is hours behind and can&#8217;t compete.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m looking for info into a product then I&#8217;ll use a mix of Twitter and Google to get reviews and personal comments about the product.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Twitter and Facebook being Google-killers but I do see them pinching some of their market share over time.</p>
<p>One benefit that Google has is that there is no set-up time required.  Both Facebook and Twitter require you to add and find friends before you can use it.  With Google you just fire up the site and do the search.  No registration required.  That&#8217;s a pretty big benefit that Google has over these other guys.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time of writing, Google had not yet announced Google Waves. Having watched the vids and spent some time explaining what it is to a friend yesterday, I now realize just how powerful it is Waves will be the communication tool of choice very soon. We will have essentially moved into their OS-independent meta-OS within a couple of years. It&#039;s already happened for a lot of people with GMail and GDocs, Waves takes it to the next level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time of writing, Google had not yet announced Google Waves. Having watched the vids and spent some time explaining what it is to a friend yesterday, I now realize just how powerful it is Waves will be the communication tool of choice very soon. We will have essentially moved into their OS-independent meta-OS within a couple of years. It&#8217;s already happened for a lot of people with GMail and GDocs, Waves takes it to the next level.</p>
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		<title>By: Genevieve</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287559</link>
		<dc:creator>Genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that will also suck money away from Google&#039;s adversing revenue is the number of &quot;organic&quot; clicks on the web vs. &quot;paid&quot; clicks is growing tremendously. I think more and more people are turning on to SEO and figuring out how to get better search engine ranking without actually paying for it. This is going to hurt Google monetarily as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that will also suck money away from Google&#8217;s adversing revenue is the number of &#8220;organic&#8221; clicks on the web vs. &#8220;paid&#8221; clicks is growing tremendously. I think more and more people are turning on to SEO and figuring out how to get better search engine ranking without actually paying for it. This is going to hurt Google monetarily as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287353</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well google will buy out twitter.It has so many options available.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well google will buy out twitter.It has so many options available.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1575159" rel="nofollow">success with weight loss</a></p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287344</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Google will always be the winner as a Search Engine, it may not get the most attention, but it will always be the place everyone goes back to to find out factual information and compare, and therefore is a winner in its own right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Google will always be the winner as a Search Engine, it may not get the most attention, but it will always be the place everyone goes back to to find out factual information and compare, and therefore is a winner in its own right.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Schleber</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287151</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Schleber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with your &quot;guess&quot; here, and would add that the continual gaming of Google via SEO, and Google counter-acting this to some extent with semi-arbitrary authority preferences, make the page 1 listings increasingly predictable and often pointless. Google&#039;s authority model also collides with true recency almost by definition.

One unknown in the equation is whether Twitter can withstand the mainstream onslaught stability-wise, and whether recent rumblings about them agreeing to open up the timeline firehose to Google are true. If they did the latter, I&#039;d rate it a colossal mistake unless they are getting a sweetheart deal. 

If I were Twitter, I&#039;d make Google buy me if they really wanted Real-Time Web search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with your &#8220;guess&#8221; here, and would add that the continual gaming of Google via SEO, and Google counter-acting this to some extent with semi-arbitrary authority preferences, make the page 1 listings increasingly predictable and often pointless. Google&#8217;s authority model also collides with true recency almost by definition.</p>
<p>One unknown in the equation is whether Twitter can withstand the mainstream onslaught stability-wise, and whether recent rumblings about them agreeing to open up the timeline firehose to Google are true. If they did the latter, I&#8217;d rate it a colossal mistake unless they are getting a sweetheart deal. </p>
<p>If I were Twitter, I&#8217;d make Google buy me if they really wanted Real-Time Web search.</p>
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		<title>By: vanderwal</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287082</link>
		<dc:creator>vanderwal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deeply disagree that attention is relevant. While Google may not be as many people&#039;s home page it is in the browser chrome in many people&#039;s browser and that is increasingly how it is accesses. 

Now looking at the discussed tie-up between Twitter and Google it is clear to see Google grasps the idea of ease of reach for people searching is more important than destination attention. Many large services have &#039;search within the site or search the web&#039; with the both services being run on Google search. 

Another telling note that attention is the wrong focal point is how I increasingly hear, from non-early adopters that they find searching Google for twitter items is far more useful than Twitter search.

There is a difference in the contexts of the two in an ask &amp; retrieve mode. Which to use is at times depends the immediate environmental context (am I on a social tool w/ velocity and trusted experience). 

I can also easily see a blended model of ask and retrieve, with social context on the retrieve, just as Yahoo! did with MyWeb2 at one point and inside the firewall tools like Connectbeam do now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deeply disagree that attention is relevant. While Google may not be as many people&#8217;s home page it is in the browser chrome in many people&#8217;s browser and that is increasingly how it is accesses. </p>
<p>Now looking at the discussed tie-up between Twitter and Google it is clear to see Google grasps the idea of ease of reach for people searching is more important than destination attention. Many large services have &#8216;search within the site or search the web&#8217; with the both services being run on Google search. </p>
<p>Another telling note that attention is the wrong focal point is how I increasingly hear, from non-early adopters that they find searching Google for twitter items is far more useful than Twitter search.</p>
<p>There is a difference in the contexts of the two in an ask &amp; retrieve mode. Which to use is at times depends the immediate environmental context (am I on a social tool w/ velocity and trusted experience). </p>
<p>I can also easily see a blended model of ask and retrieve, with social context on the retrieve, just as Yahoo! did with MyWeb2 at one point and inside the firewall tools like Connectbeam do now.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Foolstak</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287051</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Foolstak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The game is attention&quot;

Spoken like a true web designer, that is, someone who doesn&#039;t understand that in this world the game is not attention, but money, or rather a business model, something that neither Twitter nor Facebook have (yes yes Facebook has a revenue stream, but it is not yet profitable, and there is no plan to make it profitable, in other words, it does not have a business model).

People simply do not learn from history.  Think of all the hot internet brands over the last 10 years or so that were claimed to have culture-changing impact when they were in the news.  A couple come to mind: Napster, Webvan, Kozmo.  These brands were hot if not hotter than Facebook and Twitter.  But their problem was that there was no business behind the brand.  They eventually failed in spectacular fashion, although Napster is still around as a brand, but a mere shadow of its former self.  

But what do I know.  Facebook and Twitter could develop business models, and succeed in becoming not just popular but profitable.  You never know.  But what we do know is that, in their current state, they end up like Webvan or Kozmo and will be gone in 10 years, or like Napster, be pale versions of their former selves. 

I hope they come up with something big, develop brilliant business models and prove me wrong.  But my money&#039;s on history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The game is attention&#8221;</p>
<p>Spoken like a true web designer, that is, someone who doesn&#8217;t understand that in this world the game is not attention, but money, or rather a business model, something that neither Twitter nor Facebook have (yes yes Facebook has a revenue stream, but it is not yet profitable, and there is no plan to make it profitable, in other words, it does not have a business model).</p>
<p>People simply do not learn from history.  Think of all the hot internet brands over the last 10 years or so that were claimed to have culture-changing impact when they were in the news.  A couple come to mind: Napster, Webvan, Kozmo.  These brands were hot if not hotter than Facebook and Twitter.  But their problem was that there was no business behind the brand.  They eventually failed in spectacular fashion, although Napster is still around as a brand, but a mere shadow of its former self.  </p>
<p>But what do I know.  Facebook and Twitter could develop business models, and succeed in becoming not just popular but profitable.  You never know.  But what we do know is that, in their current state, they end up like Webvan or Kozmo and will be gone in 10 years, or like Napster, be pale versions of their former selves. </p>
<p>I hope they come up with something big, develop brilliant business models and prove me wrong.  But my money&#8217;s on history.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference: Google works for everyone, the great masses of The Long Tail

Twitter only works for those high-up enough on the Power Law Curve to HAVE a bunch of followers, which is a very tiny (but noisy) section of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference: Google works for everyone, the great masses of The Long Tail</p>
<p>Twitter only works for those high-up enough on the Power Law Curve to HAVE a bunch of followers, which is a very tiny (but noisy) section of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Getting Twittered Out? &#171; Belmont Media Blog</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287046</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Getting Twittered Out? &#171; Belmont Media Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google Getting Twittered&#160;Out?  Jump to Comments   One blogger, Joshua Porter, certainly seems to see the &#8220;slow erosion of Google [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google Getting Twittered&nbsp;Out?  Jump to Comments   One blogger, Joshua Porter, certainly seems to see the &#8220;slow erosion of Google [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clem</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287022</link>
		<dc:creator>Clem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reference librarian I can tell you there is a lot of information-seeking research to support this POV. See: &lt;em&gt;Impact of low skill levels on information-seeking behavior&lt;/em&gt; by Melissa Gross. People want info from social sources, not good sources and will satisfice as a result. The interesting thing is that the more people who use Google, the more its product becomes a &quot;reference authority&quot; and less like a friend. However, that doesn&#039;t change the fact that twitter is much like the &quot;paying attention to the cool kids&quot; activity in high school. The technology is trivial, the social grounding of the activity is not; and besides, there&#039;s no end to collective, self-reinforcing ignorance; viz religion, fashion, global warming, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reference librarian I can tell you there is a lot of information-seeking research to support this POV. See: <em>Impact of low skill levels on information-seeking behavior</em> by Melissa Gross. People want info from social sources, not good sources and will satisfice as a result. The interesting thing is that the more people who use Google, the more its product becomes a &#8220;reference authority&#8221; and less like a friend. However, that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that twitter is much like the &#8220;paying attention to the cool kids&#8221; activity in high school. The technology is trivial, the social grounding of the activity is not; and besides, there&#8217;s no end to collective, self-reinforcing ignorance; viz religion, fashion, global warming, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Breck</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287015</link>
		<dc:creator>Breck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Twitter Search is a threat to Google. Not sure what percentages of searches are real time, but I rely on Twitter Search a few times a week now.

However, Facebook doesn&#039;t pose much of a threat to Adwords.

Advertisers do not go to &quot;where there is the most attention&quot; first. They go to where there is the most valuable attention first. Think of People Magazine versus the Yellow Pages. People magazine gets a lot of attention but the Yellow Pages is still a multi-billion dollar business.

I recommend spending a few hundred thousand dollars on Google Adwords and Facebook ads and compare the results. You will get 100x+ times more value for the same spend on the former.

As a business, getting someone&#039;s attention when they are about to buy is much, much, much better than just getting their attention when they are specifically not looking to buy something.

Attention is nearly worthless. Of course, when you have the volume that Facebook has worthless adds up, but I would rather own a search engine with 1% of Facebook&#039;s volume than Facebook (if money is my objective).

Of course, Facebook has done an amazing job over the last few years. I am quite impressed by how well the leadership has executed. But I don&#039;t seem them as much of a threat to Adwords at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Twitter Search is a threat to Google. Not sure what percentages of searches are real time, but I rely on Twitter Search a few times a week now.</p>
<p>However, Facebook doesn&#8217;t pose much of a threat to Adwords.</p>
<p>Advertisers do not go to &#8220;where there is the most attention&#8221; first. They go to where there is the most valuable attention first. Think of People Magazine versus the Yellow Pages. People magazine gets a lot of attention but the Yellow Pages is still a multi-billion dollar business.</p>
<p>I recommend spending a few hundred thousand dollars on Google Adwords and Facebook ads and compare the results. You will get 100x+ times more value for the same spend on the former.</p>
<p>As a business, getting someone&#8217;s attention when they are about to buy is much, much, much better than just getting their attention when they are specifically not looking to buy something.</p>
<p>Attention is nearly worthless. Of course, when you have the volume that Facebook has worthless adds up, but I would rather own a search engine with 1% of Facebook&#8217;s volume than Facebook (if money is my objective).</p>
<p>Of course, Facebook has done an amazing job over the last few years. I am quite impressed by how well the leadership has executed. But I don&#8217;t seem them as much of a threat to Adwords at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Breeden</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287013</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Breeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but...

Google &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; putting a lot into their browser, Chrome. If it gets traction, then they&#039;ll have our attention regardless of our &quot;social home page.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;- Andy&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Google <em>is</em> putting a lot into their browser, Chrome. If it gets traction, then they&#8217;ll have our attention regardless of our &#8220;social home page.&#8221;</p>
<p><em><strong>- Andy</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Diddit Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diddit Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By this argument, isn&#039;t _everything_ competing against google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By this argument, isn&#8217;t _everything_ competing against google?</p>
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		<title>By: Social and technical aspects of the uses of technology &#171; Otakademia</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/google-erosion/#comment-287009</link>
		<dc:creator>Social and technical aspects of the uses of technology &#171; Otakademia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (anytime soon) illustrates it.Â  Actually, I found it following a citation in an article on the Slow Erosion of Google Search, which had been previously cited by one of my contact on Twitter. What I particularly appreciate in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (anytime soon) illustrates it.Â  Actually, I found it following a citation in an article on the Slow Erosion of Google Search, which had been previously cited by one of my contact on Twitter. What I particularly appreciate in [...]</p>
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