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		<title>By: Rui Alão</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/shouldnt-the-wisdom-of-crowds-lead-to-better-politicians/#comment-9261</link>
		<dc:creator>Rui Alão</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 23:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm... again. 
Well, I read Surowiecki's book and teached it to my students (in a digital design university course, in Brazil) and some of them made some very interesting remarks. First, some of the experiments commented in Surowiecki's book dont follow all of his own rules. Sometimes people interact to each other, instead of being independent, sometimes the author conclusions are just an application of the laws of statistics (specially in the horse bets example). Well, I was a bit disapointed after reading it. 

Anyway, I'm not american (that's why my English is so poor) and my country have (too) many political parties (about 30, I think), with many different ideological orientations. So we can say we have diversity and independence. This doesn't stop people from voting in politicians that doesn't represent them on the chambers or senate... 
For me, unfortunately, Surowiecki's very appealing idea is just this: a very appealing idea... 
Greetings
Rui Alao</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm&#8230; again.<br />
Well, I read Surowiecki&#8217;s book and teached it to my students (in a digital design university course, in Brazil) and some of them made some very interesting remarks. First, some of the experiments commented in Surowiecki&#8217;s book dont follow all of his own rules. Sometimes people interact to each other, instead of being independent, sometimes the author conclusions are just an application of the laws of statistics (specially in the horse bets example). Well, I was a bit disapointed after reading it. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not american (that&#8217;s why my English is so poor) and my country have (too) many political parties (about 30, I think), with many different ideological orientations. So we can say we have diversity and independence. This doesn&#8217;t stop people from voting in politicians that doesn&#8217;t represent them on the chambers or senate&#8230;<br />
For me, unfortunately, Surowiecki&#8217;s very appealing idea is just this: a very appealing idea&#8230;<br />
Greetings<br />
Rui Alao</p>
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		<title>By: Joe O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://bokardo.com/archives/shouldnt-the-wisdom-of-crowds-lead-to-better-politicians/#comment-8400</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One solution to making our votes count is to vote out the incumbents and vote in the challangers.  No matter what they say, it's the incumbents (many of whom have been in office for much too long a time) who have created the problems we now are struggling with as a nation and individually.  For more ingformation on this topic see my blog at www.seniortalk.blogspot.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One solution to making our votes count is to vote out the incumbents and vote in the challangers.  No matter what they say, it&#8217;s the incumbents (many of whom have been in office for much too long a time) who have created the problems we now are struggling with as a nation and individually.  For more ingformation on this topic see my blog at <a href="http://www.seniortalk.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.seniortalk.blogspot.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: pauric</title>
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		<dc:creator>pauric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 22:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to love the network...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Love#Santorum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to love the network&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Love#Santorum" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Love#Santorum</a></p>
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		<title>By: pauric</title>
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		<dc:creator>pauric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 22:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Democracies enjoy the highest living standards in the world–from generally fairer civil rights..."

Democracy can only flourish in countries with a sound legal framework.  Ironic that something which has the potential to leverage the wisdom of the crowd can only stem from rules defined by the few, e.g. the US supreme court &#38; Constitution.

I would argue that the missing element needed to enable the wisdom of the crowd in the current democratic systems is 'the network'.  Grassroots dissemination of information should encourage the crowd to make better educated decisions.  My personal opinion is that its the mainstream media which is screwing up democracy in the US.

I wonder if the incumbent Rick Santorum's problems could be attributed to his outspoken remarks being recorded and distributed on the internet.  I live in MA and normally wouldnt hear about the Senator from PA.  Over the past year I've read about the internet driven movement to have a rather distasteful sexual act named Santorum in response to his anti homesexuality stance.  I also signed a petition against his efforts to privitise the public domain NOAA weather site which I need for sailing.

Granted, the guy is an idiot and would be floundering anyway.  However, the negative publicity he's generated on the net must be a factor in his ratings slump.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5227717</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Democracies enjoy the highest living standards in the world–from generally fairer civil rights&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Democracy can only flourish in countries with a sound legal framework.  Ironic that something which has the potential to leverage the wisdom of the crowd can only stem from rules defined by the few, e.g. the US supreme court &amp; Constitution.</p>
<p>I would argue that the missing element needed to enable the wisdom of the crowd in the current democratic systems is &#8216;the network&#8217;.  Grassroots dissemination of information should encourage the crowd to make better educated decisions.  My personal opinion is that its the mainstream media which is screwing up democracy in the US.</p>
<p>I wonder if the incumbent Rick Santorum&#8217;s problems could be attributed to his outspoken remarks being recorded and distributed on the internet.  I live in MA and normally wouldnt hear about the Senator from PA.  Over the past year I&#8217;ve read about the internet driven movement to have a rather distasteful sexual act named Santorum in response to his anti homesexuality stance.  I also signed a petition against his efforts to privitise the public domain NOAA weather site which I need for sailing.</p>
<p>Granted, the guy is an idiot and would be floundering anyway.  However, the negative publicity he&#8217;s generated on the net must be a factor in his ratings slump.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5227717" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5227717</a></p>
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		<title>By: truth machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>truth machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 05:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only do we have winner-takes-all, but we have first-past-the-post voting, which is a terrible system that forces people to vote against their least favorite candidate rather than vote for their favorite candidate, for fear that the latter will split the vote.  Other systems such as instant runoff voting (IRV) avoid this problem to varying degrees, making third-party candidates viable.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do we have winner-takes-all, but we have first-past-the-post voting, which is a terrible system that forces people to vote against their least favorite candidate rather than vote for their favorite candidate, for fear that the latter will split the vote.  Other systems such as instant runoff voting (IRV) avoid this problem to varying degrees, making third-party candidates viable.  See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system</a></p>
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		<title>By: lawfully &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawfully &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 12:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lawfully &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawfully &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 16:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Churchill

There are usually many more choices than two throught primaries and the main contest.  However, Americans tend to perceive only two candidates because American elections have a winner-take-all rule set that disincentivizes voting for minority parties--winning 10% of the vote does you no good.  Proportional representative systems, conversely, change those incentives: 10% of the vote wins 10% of the representative power creating incentives to vote for candidates that cannot win outright.

Another element worth considering is not candidate diversity, but more importantly district diversity.  Gerrymandered districts ensure that voting aggregates homogenuous opinion.

More fundamentally, let's challenge the assumption that we elect poor politicians.  Democracies enjoy the highest living standards in the world--from generally fairer civil rights to hockey-stick economic growth over the last 100 years.  Around the world, other social structures (eg dictatorships) tend to, but not always (eg Singapore), produce significantly worse outcomes.  Though not optimal in every case, representative democracies on average perform better than alternative forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.&#8221; Churchill</p>
<p>There are usually many more choices than two throught primaries and the main contest.  However, Americans tend to perceive only two candidates because American elections have a winner-take-all rule set that disincentivizes voting for minority parties&#8211;winning 10% of the vote does you no good.  Proportional representative systems, conversely, change those incentives: 10% of the vote wins 10% of the representative power creating incentives to vote for candidates that cannot win outright.</p>
<p>Another element worth considering is not candidate diversity, but more importantly district diversity.  Gerrymandered districts ensure that voting aggregates homogenuous opinion.</p>
<p>More fundamentally, let&#8217;s challenge the assumption that we elect poor politicians.  Democracies enjoy the highest living standards in the world&#8211;from generally fairer civil rights to hockey-stick economic growth over the last 100 years.  Around the world, other social structures (eg dictatorships) tend to, but not always (eg Singapore), produce significantly worse outcomes.  Though not optimal in every case, representative democracies on average perform better than alternative forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Born On the Web &#187; The wisdom of crowds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Born On the Web &#187; The wisdom of crowds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Diversity: Diversity, or large variation in ideas, is crucial to being able to extract wisdom from the crowd. We need liberal, conservative, crazy, hair-brained, logical, rational, irrational, and all ideas in between. The reason why we need such diversity is probability. The more diversity in the ideas that we include, the higher the probability that one of those ideas is the right one. Because sometimes it just happens to be that one hair-brained idea that leads us down the right path. (source: bokardo.com) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Diversity: Diversity, or large variation in ideas, is crucial to being able to extract wisdom from the crowd. We need liberal, conservative, crazy, hair-brained, logical, rational, irrational, and all ideas in between. The reason why we need such diversity is probability. The more diversity in the ideas that we include, the higher the probability that one of those ideas is the right one. Because sometimes it just happens to be that one hair-brained idea that leads us down the right path. (source: bokardo.com) [...]</p>
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