Comments on: The danger of social markers made public (more on the Social Graph API) http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/ A Blog about Social Web Design Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:41:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jon Marks http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-155729 Jon Marks Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:58:45 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-155729 I'm always a little surprised by how "privacy" sensitive people have gotten. There seem to be an assumption that everything on the web MUST be anonymous. And when it isn't, they get paranoid. If you manage your profile properly, as other have suggested, social marker is a great way to develop your personal brand - without spamming. I’m always a little surprised by how “privacy” sensitive people have gotten. There seem to be an assumption that everything on the web MUST be anonymous. And when it isn’t, they get paranoid.

If you manage your profile properly, as other have suggested, social marker is a great way to develop your personal brand - without spamming.

]]> By: transcyberia.info http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-154000 transcyberia.info Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:54:49 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-154000 [...] this brewing privacy backlash with mounting signs of social media fatigue and you may start to wonder if, maybe, [...] [...] this brewing privacy backlash with mounting signs of social media fatigue and you may start to wonder if, maybe, [...]

]]> By: Data Portability, Social Graph and Privacy — mrtopf.de http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153375 Data Portability, Social Graph and Privacy — mrtopf.de Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:35:32 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153375 [...] reflex” in now suddenly seeing how much of our data is public. There is also another post by Joshua Porter about the same problem. My take on this is below this [...] [...] reflex” in now suddenly seeing how much of our data is public. There is also another post by Joshua Porter about the same problem. My take on this is below this [...]

]]> By: Graco http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153183 Graco Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:01:57 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153183 About what control are you talking about in the API? About what control are you talking about in the API?

]]> By: ..:: ExaSpring’s Blog ::.. Web Hosting, Web Designing and SEO Blog ::.. » Blog Archive » SearchCap: The Day In Search, February 5, 2008 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153180 ..:: ExaSpring’s Blog ::.. Web Hosting, Web Designing and SEO Blog ::.. » Blog Archive » SearchCap: The Day In Search, February 5, 2008 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:19:57 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153180 [...] The danger of social markers made public (more on the Social Graph API), Bokardo [...] [...] The danger of social markers made public (more on the Social Graph API), Bokardo [...]

]]> By: Justin Baum http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153112 Justin Baum Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:55:02 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153112 > I’m reminded again by the age-old wisdom: “the best way to prevent secrets from getting out is to not have any in the first place”. I agree Josh. People are going to get more familiar with answering a few not so simple questions... "Is a publicly exposed profile on the web right for me?" "What do I have to hide?" - yikes "What am I sharing and who am I sharing it with?" - First thing I am going to teach my kids. Lets take for example publishing your Xbox Live activity to your Facebook profile. Say you call in sick or "work from home" one day. Your co-workers are friends on Facebook and see that you played Halo4 for 3 hours in the middle of the day. By default Xbox publishes your activity to your friends Live... if you play Halo with your boss. Oops. Private people can get away with more. The next wave of information literacy is going to be interesting! > I’m reminded again by the age-old wisdom: “the best way to prevent secrets from getting out is to not have any in the first place”.

I agree Josh. People are going to get more familiar with answering a few not so simple questions…

“Is a publicly exposed profile on the web right for me?”

“What do I have to hide?” - yikes

“What am I sharing and who am I sharing it with?” - First thing I am going to teach my kids.

Lets take for example publishing your Xbox Live activity to your Facebook profile. Say you call in sick or “work from home” one day. Your co-workers are friends on Facebook and see that you played Halo4 for 3 hours in the middle of the day. By default Xbox publishes your activity to your friends Live… if you play Halo with your boss. Oops.

Private people can get away with more. The next wave of information literacy is going to be interesting!

]]> By: Big moves in social media tech - zumio http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153067 Big moves in social media tech - zumio Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:02:25 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153067 [...] write up from a technology perspective, and Joshua Porter has two posts looking at the benefits and potential dangers of the API, incl. reference to an excellent (though slightly alarmist, I feel) post from Dana Boyd [...] [...] write up from a technology perspective, and Joshua Porter has two posts looking at the benefits and potential dangers of the API, incl. reference to an excellent (though slightly alarmist, I feel) post from Dana Boyd [...]

]]> By: leafar http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153050 leafar Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:39:59 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153050 Crap my illustrations pictures that appeared in the preview disappeared: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulikleafar/tags/wired/" rel="nofollow">here is the link to them </a> Crap my illustrations pictures that appeared in the preview disappeared: here is the link to them

]]> By: leafar http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153049 leafar Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:37:20 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153049 Great, great post. I was also working on social markers but in a more random thoughts approach (I've speed up the publishing - <a href="http://ulik.typepad.com/leafar/2008/02/social-markers.html" rel="nofollow">available here</a>-) This all discussion (like often when it comes to identity) reminds me of phrases that were in EPIC 2014. "It is the best of time, it is the worst of time" or At its best, EPIC is "a summary of the world — deeper, broader and more nuanced than anything ever available before ... but at its worst, and for too many, EPIC is merely a collection of trivia, much of it untrue." Google API may be a social norm that constrains people (I think that's why danah is using forcing). Anyway, like with any technology we need to be alphabetize. Otherwise will be submitted to it. Identity education will be highly needed in school in a few years. I'll invite you to take a look at <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetactu.net%2F2008%2F02%2F01%2Fle-design-de-la-visibilite-un-essai-de-typologie-du-web-20%2F" rel="nofollow">this work on identity that shows 4 types of behaviors</a>. I think what will happen is that it will become more difficult to manage the all system (I start to have troubles despite my knowledge) and therefore you will either do it fully or not (we come back to the secret metaphor) . <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulikleafar/2165209035/" title="Wired Cover - Get naked de [leafar], sur Flickr" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulikleafar/2166005972/" title="Wired Cover - Rule the world de [leafar], sur Flickr" rel="nofollow"></a> But that's our job! And I am trying with <a href="http://www.u-lik.com" rel="nofollow">U.[lik]</a> to push it to its best and making decision that enforces good and easy management (@Lifson i do agree). My "marxism" (small m) makes me believe that infrastructure plays a bigger role in determining behaviors that we always think. Therefore encouraging on demand chiaroscuro is probably the best solution. Great, great post. I was also working on social markers but in a more random thoughts approach (I’ve speed up the publishing - available here-)

This all discussion (like often when it comes to identity) reminds me of phrases that were in EPIC 2014. “It is the best of time, it is the worst of time” or At its best, EPIC is “a summary of the world — deeper, broader and more nuanced than anything ever available before … but at its worst, and for too many, EPIC is merely a collection of trivia, much of it untrue.”

Google API may be a social norm that constrains people (I think that’s why danah is using forcing). Anyway, like with any technology we need to be alphabetize. Otherwise will be submitted to it. Identity education will be highly needed in school in a few years.

I’ll invite you to take a look at this work on identity that shows 4 types of behaviors. I think what will happen is that it will become more difficult to manage the all system (I start to have troubles despite my knowledge) and therefore you will either do it fully or not (we come back to the secret metaphor) .

But that’s our job! And I am trying with U.[lik] to push it to its best and making decision that enforces good and easy management (@Lifson i do agree). My “marxism” (small m) makes me believe that infrastructure plays a bigger role in determining behaviors that we always think. Therefore encouraging on demand chiaroscuro is probably the best solution.

]]> By: Danny Sullivan http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153045 Danny Sullivan Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:36:12 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153045 Even without the explicit tagging, you could do this just of linkage. It's not that hard to see profiles all pointing at a particular blog and then understanding the blog belongs to those profiles. So if people are really concerned, well -- don't fill out the profiles period. Even without the explicit tagging, you could do this just of linkage. It’s not that hard to see profiles all pointing at a particular blog and then understanding the blog belongs to those profiles. So if people are really concerned, well — don’t fill out the profiles period.

]]> By: Get Naked But Be Private About It - Covering All That's Social All the Web http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153023 Get Naked But Be Private About It - Covering All That's Social All the Web Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:37:21 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153023 [...] we want online but don’t be surprised when your information ends up publicly available. As Joshua Porter writes, “I’m reminded again by the age-old saying: ‘the best way to prevent secrets from [...] [...] we want online but don’t be surprised when your information ends up publicly available. As Joshua Porter writes, “I’m reminded again by the age-old saying: ‘the best way to prevent secrets from [...]

]]> By: Luigi Montanez http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153021 Luigi Montanez Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:37:56 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153021 I think the problem with the API boils down to user expectations. No one has expected this technology to exist, and when it suddenly does, people will get really creeped out. Also, the API isn't just limited to relationships formalized by XFN and FOAF. Google will also use relationships on the more popular sites (MySpace being a prime example) that were not marked up. Where's the user control in that? I think the problem with the API boils down to user expectations. No one has expected this technology to exist, and when it suddenly does, people will get really creeped out.

Also, the API isn’t just limited to relationships formalized by XFN and FOAF. Google will also use relationships on the more popular sites (MySpace being a prime example) that were not marked up. Where’s the user control in that?

]]> By: David Lifson http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153020 David Lifson Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:36:21 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153020 To test the "creepy" sensor in your head, check out Spokeo.com. It'll suck in your email address book and then crawl the web for all the accounts your contacts use on various sites and aggregate that content into a newsfeed. I (unwittingly) discovered that my old college roommate uses StumbleUpon to bookmark his favorite pornographic images - an example of his mental model in discordance with reality. To test the “creepy” sensor in your head, check out Spokeo.com. It’ll suck in your email address book and then crawl the web for all the accounts your contacts use on various sites and aggregate that content into a newsfeed. I (unwittingly) discovered that my old college roommate uses StumbleUpon to bookmark his favorite pornographic images - an example of his mental model in discordance with reality.

]]> By: David Lifson http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153019 David Lifson Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:32:45 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153019 I can't help but be reminded of the outrage that sprung up when Facebook introduced the newsfeed. "What? That's public??". User groups springing up in revolt and revulsion. The solution? Provide great tools - with lots of entry points - for managing privacy. People will flinch when reality conflicts with their mental model, but that's not an excuse. As an aside, comprehensive yet easy to use privacy control user interfaces is a challenge that will need be solved again and again in the near future. Some things you want to share with some friends, but not all things with all friends. Human relationships in the real world are complex, and revealing them via computer interfaces in a beautiful way will take some thought. I can’t help but be reminded of the outrage that sprung up when Facebook introduced the newsfeed. “What? That’s public??”. User groups springing up in revolt and revulsion. The solution? Provide great tools - with lots of entry points - for managing privacy. People will flinch when reality conflicts with their mental model, but that’s not an excuse.

As an aside, comprehensive yet easy to use privacy control user interfaces is a challenge that will need be solved again and again in the near future. Some things you want to share with some friends, but not all things with all friends. Human relationships in the real world are complex, and revealing them via computer interfaces in a beautiful way will take some thought.

]]> By: Els http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153017 Els Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:29:39 +0000 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-danger-of-social-markers-made-public/#comment-153017 > I don’t know why she says that this is “forcing” people to expose their personal relationship information. If I have a friend Tim on one site, and a friend Sarah on another, and they know each other on a third site and both publish their social graph, mine is being exposed too. The more people will use this API, the less privacy I will have, even if I'm not using it myself. > I don’t know why she says that this is “forcing” people to expose their personal relationship information.

If I have a friend Tim on one site, and a friend Sarah on another, and they know each other on a third site and both publish their social graph, mine is being exposed too. The more people will use this API, the less privacy I will have, even if I’m not using it myself.

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