Comments on: The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/ A Blog about Social Web Design Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:15:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Web 2.0 的核心思想 at 第七封印 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-170324 Web 2.0 的核心思想 at 第七封印 Wed, 21 May 2008 10:49:04 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-170324 [...] Porter翻译：拙尘 @ yeeyan.com原文链接：The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0（译者：到底什么是Web [...] [...] Porter翻译：拙尘 @ yeeyan.com原文链接：The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0（译者：到底什么是Web [...]

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]]> By: Micro Space of Oliver Ding » Blog Archive » The Wisdom of Crowds and Web2.0: Popularity v.s. Diversity http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-154086 Micro Space of Oliver Ding » Blog Archive » The Wisdom of Crowds and Web2.0: Popularity v.s. Diversity Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:17:12 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-154086 [...] Source: http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/ [...] [...] Source: http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/ [...]

]]> By: 名剑风流 - Domainnamr Journal » Web 2.0 的核心思想（The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0） http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-144461 名剑风流 - Domainnamr Journal » Web 2.0 的核心思想（The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0） Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:00:35 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-144461 [...] 作者：Joshua Porter 翻译：拙尘 @ yeeyan.com 原文链接：The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0 [...] [...] 作者：Joshua Porter 翻译：拙尘 @ yeeyan.com 原文链接：The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0 [...]

]]> By: Techie’s Corner » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 - One Crucial Idea http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-85976 Techie’s Corner » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 - One Crucial Idea Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:58:20 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-85976 [...] Great post - The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0 If there is one idea that encapsulates what Web 2.0 is about, one idea that wasn’t a factor before but is a factor now, it’s the idea of leveraging the network to uncover the Wisdom of Crowds. [...] [...] Great post - The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0 If there is one idea that encapsulates what Web 2.0 is about, one idea that wasn’t a factor before but is a factor now, it’s the idea of leveraging the network to uncover the Wisdom of Crowds. [...]

]]> By: Will Web 2.0 Kill Windows? Oh, Please… « Website Monitoring Blog http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-29700 Will Web 2.0 Kill Windows? Oh, Please… « Website Monitoring Blog Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:43:55 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-29700 [...] People talk about web 2.0 so much that it produces nothing but irritation. It seems that only a very lazy person hasn’t written about web 2.0 yet! Hundreds of new posts appear every day — hey, people, isn’t there anything else to talk about? Don’t you exagerate the amount of what you call Web 2.0? Well, I understand when members of Web 2.0 Workgroup and other professionals share their ideas or latest news… But why does everybody feel obligated to enrich the world’s experience with his/her priceless thoughts of Web 2.0 eternal importance??? [...] [...] People talk about web 2.0 so much that it produces nothing but irritation. It seems that only a very lazy person hasn’t written about web 2.0 yet! Hundreds of new posts appear every day — hey, people, isn’t there anything else to talk about? Don’t you exagerate the amount of what you call Web 2.0? Well, I understand when members of Web 2.0 Workgroup and other professionals share their ideas or latest news… But why does everybody feel obligated to enrich the world’s experience with his/her priceless thoughts of Web 2.0 eternal importance??? [...]

]]> By: (理论)Web 2.0 的核心思想：大众的智慧 » 网络经济经典&网络教育研究 http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-26095 (理论)Web 2.0 的核心思想：大众的智慧 » 网络经济经典&网络教育研究 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:10:23 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-26095 [...] 作者：Joshua Porter 翻译：拙尘 @ yeeyan.com 原文链接：The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0  [...] [...] 作者：Joshua Porter 翻译：拙尘 @ yeeyan.com 原文链接：The One Crucial Idea of Web 2.0  [...]

]]> By: Donavan Vicha http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-7351 Donavan Vicha Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:01:45 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-7351 When I think of the possible fallacy of this Wisdom of the Crowds, I think ... Betamax vs VHS, Word vs WordPerfect, Windows ... !! In the early 1990s, Atari built a great computer where the OS was on a chip (can you say Virus-proof?), so RAM could be devoted to handling the application ... The GUI was a wonderful combination of the Mac and PC but the "wisdom of the crowd"? Atari was a game machine, a toy ... When I think of the possible fallacy of this Wisdom of the Crowds, I think … Betamax vs VHS, Word vs WordPerfect, Windows … !! In the early 1990s, Atari built a great computer where the OS was on a chip (can you say Virus-proof?), so RAM could be devoted to handling the application … The GUI was a wonderful combination of the Mac and PC but the “wisdom of the crowd”? Atari was a game machine, a toy …

]]> By: Michael Almond http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5950 Michael Almond Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:17:00 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5950 Joshua, What can I say to further prove my admiration for you. You always get the big picture and communicate it in a way that is persuasive, logical, and without righteousness Bravo. I happen to be bias because I tend to agree with most every thing you write. This particular post gave me goose bumps. I just submitted an article that states the same idea. Of course, it has an overall theme that is unique, but Web 2.0 makes it into the story. I assert that the truly significant aspect of Web 2.0 is the discovery and growing awareness of what has always been a fundamental and enduring aspect of the Web: It’s value as a social tool. Thank you again. Joshua,
What can I say to further prove my admiration for you. You always get the big picture and communicate it in a way that is persuasive, logical, and without righteousness Bravo.

I happen to be bias because I tend to agree with most every thing you write. This particular post gave me goose bumps. I just submitted an article that states the same idea. Of course, it has an overall theme that is unique, but Web 2.0 makes it into the story. I assert that the truly significant aspect of Web 2.0 is the discovery and growing awareness of what has always been a fundamental and enduring aspect of the Web:

It’s value as a social tool.

Thank you again.

]]> By: Josh http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5497 Josh Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:34:59 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5497 Yes, I like the notion of tribes, too. I think that we'll be able to model our lives on several levels, as we live them on several levels. Right now I'm trying to figure out what level of personalization I want...do I want it automated or do I want some control...and if so, what kind of control do I want? Yes, I like the notion of tribes, too. I think that we’ll be able to model our lives on several levels, as we live them on several levels.

Right now I’m trying to figure out what level of personalization I want…do I want it automated or do I want some control…and if so, what kind of control do I want?

]]> By: Jon Husband http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5455 Jon Husband Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:58:56 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5455 #5 focuses the issue for me .. I think it's the both/and of increasing use of AI where apropriate, coupled with increasing ease of use such that the hand and eye become increasingly extensions of the brain. So .. easier-to-use apps coupled with AI-enhancement (of the natural language-processing sort) where and how appropriate, all mashed up with the sociologies that continue to grow on the Web #5 focuses the issue for me .. I think it’s the both/and of increasing use of AI where apropriate, coupled with increasing ease of use such that the hand and eye become increasingly extensions of the brain.

So .. easier-to-use apps coupled with AI-enhancement (of the natural language-processing sort) where and how appropriate, all mashed up with the sociologies that continue to grow on the Web

]]> By: Uzi Shmilovici http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5450 Uzi Shmilovici Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:54:07 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5450 Josh. I think tagging makes the wisdom of the crowds wiser - then ayou get a wise wisdom of the crowd. For Paris Hilton's fans, this relevabt results are crucial. I mean, they look for it. Assuming you are not one of them. you will not look for her and so you will not have to bump into her. (Although you might want to....). I do have a problem with Google's page rand as it is affected by SEM/SEO companies and thus becomes a marketing expenditure rank and not a real one... Josh.

I think tagging makes the wisdom of the crowds wiser - then ayou get a wise wisdom of the crowd.

For Paris Hilton’s fans, this relevabt results are crucial. I mean, they look for it. Assuming you are not one of them. you will not look for her and so you will not have to bump into her. (Although you might want to….).

I do have a problem with Google’s page rand as it is affected by SEM/SEO companies and thus becomes a marketing expenditure rank and not a real one…

]]> By: Pete Cashmore http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5442 Pete Cashmore Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:57:22 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5442 Bill H-D's example is good, but I think what it comes down to is aggregating the wisdom of *my* crowd, not *the* crowd. I think the notion of tribes is a good one - Digg users, for instance, don't choose the stories I want to read. Memeorandum comes closer, but still misses the mark. Ultimately, we're heading towards more personalized filters, powered by the wisdom of similar people and our own attention metadata. Bill H-D’s example is good, but I think what it comes down to is aggregating the wisdom of *my* crowd, not *the* crowd. I think the notion of tribes is a good one - Digg users, for instance, don’t choose the stories I want to read. Memeorandum comes closer, but still misses the mark. Ultimately, we’re heading towards more personalized filters, powered by the wisdom of similar people and our own attention metadata.

]]> By: Mashable* http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5402 Mashable* Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:25:22 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5402 <strong>Rojo’s Personalized Memedigger</strong> The big news today was Rojo’s launch of a personalized memedigger - basically your own version of Digg within Rojo’s RSS reader. Predictably, it considers your ratings, the ratings of others, the number of times a post has been read and... Rojo’s Personalized Memedigger

The big news today was Rojo’s launch of a personalized memedigger - basically your own version of Digg within Rojo’s RSS reader. Predictably, it considers your ratings, the ratings of others, the number of times a post has been read and…

]]> By: Josh http://bokardo.com/archives/the-one-crucial-idea-of-web-20/#comment-5376 Josh Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:36:24 +0000 http://bokardo.com/?p=382#comment-5376 Yes, it becomes immediately complicated by Paris Hilton. Who is Huey Long? :) Mistrusting the wisdom of crowds is probably healthy, as it can kill personal relevance. And there are many other problems with it...but even still it seems to me that it is *the* hot problem to solve in software. Once we have the wisdom of crowds and all that aggregation can do for us, I think we will then look to filtering mechanisms to put us back in charge. Yes, it becomes immediately complicated by Paris Hilton. Who is Huey Long? :)

Mistrusting the wisdom of crowds is probably healthy, as it can kill personal relevance. And there are many other problems with it…but even still it seems to me that it is *the* hot problem to solve in software.

Once we have the wisdom of crowds and all that aggregation can do for us, I think we will then look to filtering mechanisms to put us back in charge.

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