Learning More about Structured Blogging

by Joshua Porter  |   26 Comments

Joe Reger, with whom Alex Barnett and I did a podcast last week, and Phil Pearson, both take me to task for omissions in my article on Structured Blogging.

Joe points out that I completely missed one of the major reasons to datablog: personal data mining. For example, let’s say you’re a runner. Joe’s software will allows people who run to input things like running times and graph those times over the course of a month or year. You can quickly and easily monitor your progress (or lack of it). This personal value has little to do with the value to the network that I was talking about.

From now on I’m going to call this idea the “Del.icio.us Lesson”. This is the lesson that personal value precedes network value: that selfish use comes before shared use. We’re seeing it more and more everyday in services like Del.icio.us, Flickr, and is an interesting aspect of networked applications. Even though we’re definitely benefitting from the value of networked software, we’re still not doing so unless the software is valuable to us on a personal level first. And I wonder, how will Google Base fare in light of this? What personal value are people getting out of it? Is it enough to make the service successful?

Phil says that I missed a critical point about Structured blogging. His point is that that if you want to write more structured posts, then the SB plugins will help you do that, even if there aren’t aggregators and such out there yet.

To that end, I’m currently trying out the Wordpress SB plugin. It installed great, without issue, although I was a bit hesitant that it was comprised of so many files…and not just a single plugin file. My initial thought when using it was similar to Kevin Burton, who left a quick comment saying that he didn’t like the fact that all the metadata fields were before the review. I agree completely. *The* reason why I write a review is the review textbox, not the myriad of possible fields I could enter about that movie. By the time I went through and added the Amazon URL, the IMDB URL, the director, year, etc…I was much less excited about writing my actual review. I agree with Kevin that these fields are secondary, and should be after the review field.

That said, should we have to enter that information at all? I’ve gotten used to not having to enter CD information when I rip a CD into iTunes because of the integration of CDDB data that updates my metadata fields. Couldn’t we have something similar with movies? I shouldn’t have to enter King Kong’s metadata when it is widely known and unchanging. That smells like the perfect place to create a valuable Web 2.0 data store…

Man, I must really be spoiled at this point to complain about having to enter movie metadata…

In addition, Brady Joslin came by and pointed out that to change the code written by the plugin you can tweak it by looking in the wpsb-files/microcontent/descriptions/ folder. Brady wanted to take the bold tags out of his markup…and that’s probably fine as long as you don’t mess up the microformat stuff.

Also, I was surprised to see that Rojo doesn’t handle the SB code correctly. I get two copies of my King Kong review for the price of one…Bloglines was fine, however.

Finally, there are two aspects to Structured Blogging. One is the user interface, and one is the code. I daresay that for non-developers the code is not important, other than some unrealized promise that it will get you better blogrank. The user interface is the big deal for users, obviously, because it is what they see. The code is a big deal for developers and aggregators. For the developers because they worry about stuff like that. For aggregators because that’s what they’re in this for…for millions of people to write better code so they can provide better services. It will be interesting to see how each party handles this idea going forward.

Nevertheless, I’m happy with the Structured Blogging tool in general. It’s quite an impressive plugin, and really the first one I’ve used that makes Wordpress feel different than it used to. I have a newfound respect for the level of comprehensiveness that the SB folks are going for here. This isn’t a plugin written in a weekend for a proof of concept. It’s serious. If you haven’t checked it out, go ahead. There’s bound to be a review type or two that strikes your fancy.

Comments ( 26 Responses so far )

1.  vanderwal on December 21st, 2005 (Comment) #

“Delicious Lesson” is incredibly important. It is the one thing that many tools and implementations of the social web do not get. The person must get value for their interaction in the service or it will fade.

I see so much focus on the technology, the interaction components, the network effect, etc. But, the driver for these services that are successful is that they have a direct primary value for the person choosing to use them.

2.  Bill H-D on December 21st, 2005 (Comment) #

I agree. And with services like Del.icio.us and Flickr, you get a nice reciprocal relationship between individual value and social value once a certain critical mass is reached.

I tag Flickr photos with family member names, for example, so that I can search on those and aggregate later. I am not sure this has much social value. But you never know. My dog, Alice, also appears often in my photostream…and I have more than once thought that Flickr could provide an interesting index of, say, pet names…

3.  Kevin Burton on December 21st, 2005 (Comment) #

I’m not sure if Rojo handles GUIDs correctly. Maybe you edited the post and changed the URI? That’s not an excuse of course. Rojo should fix that but it’s currently sort of broken I think (I’m obviously very familiar with their architecture).

But yeah… the the visible metadata isn’t fun. I just want a URL really.

The Amazon ASIN can be used to extract the metadata from Amazon. You can then build a virtual review from this though it’s not distributed.

4.  Bob Wyman on December 22nd, 2005 (Comment) #

The “del.icio.us Lesson” is a wonderful encapsulation of an exceptionally important concept. In fact, this is precisely the idea that drove us to pursue Structured Blogging the way we did. We’ve focused on the user experience and on creating more interesting templates for blog entries. The format issues that seem to consume the attention of coders are secondary and so are any issues related to applications that actually read the structured data. If we can prove that it is useful to users to do Structured Blogging, the format issues will become relevant. If we can’t figure out how to get people to do it, all the format debates are just wasted breath.

bob wyman

5.  David Swedlow on December 22nd, 2005 (Comment) #

Fantastic addenda to the podcast! Ditto’ing the “del.icio.us lesson” comments, not to add content but context: this is REALLY important.

I’ve been following along for a while, and I keep waiting for the Attention shoe to drop. You guys (Josh and Alex) are hitting a bunch of pieces that I see as key to a central concept, but you haven’t named it explicitly yet.

I’ve called this concept “Context Management.” It’s very similar to what I think Marc Canter envisions with DLAs (and Robin Good’s PMAs), but goes a bit further. As Marc said, with the importance of authentication, the conversation that you guys had with Dick and Kim on Identity 2.0 was vitally important to this concept as well.

This is getting kind of long. I’ve blogged about it on opposablemind.com. Keep up the good work.

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6.  Ian Yorston on December 31st, 2005 (Comment) #

I’m sure that the “Del.icio.us Lesson” applies in all sorts of environments - but it seems particular pertinent in the introspective world of Education. The reason so many of the VLEs etc have failed to take off is that they have focussed on the benefit to the student - which sounds great but won’t actually get implemented unless teachers can see the improvement in their lives…

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