Scoble Questions WASP, Opera

by Joshua Porter  |   March 17th, 2005  |  shortlink: http://bokardo.com/p/54

Via Dave Winer: Robert Scoble brings up some interesting points in a post about the new Opera/WASP campaign called the Acid2 test. The test is being proposed as a way to get all browser makers supporting the same standards by having them test their browser against a full-featured web page that contains elements and styling that aren’t supported consistently at the present time.

Scoble, a Microsoft employee, is somewhat upset with WASP for not letting him in on the party beforehand. And given his status as the Microsoft liason of late and his influence around the blogosphere, it does seem odd that nobody talked to him first. He seems to really want to help, and he’s got the ear of the right people in Redmond. That said, the WASP seems like a rather mysterious group.

Another thing: this issue is one of those tough ones where a relatively large company has little incentive to do something other than “it’s the RIGHT thing to do” (it has not been shown what Microsoft would gain from this). I’ve long been frustrated by these sorts of things, and I wonder if publicly challenging them might not be the best thing to do. This reminds me of a recent spat between Joe Clark and Anil Dash about the accessibility of the Movable Type interface. Joe was calling “bullshit” on Six Apart because he had been after them for 6 months to comply with certain accessibility standards, and they hadn’t done what he asked.

I know that sometimes it does help to get the crowd involved, the “media” if you will, but I usually find that there is a disconnect between what the company sees as valuable and what the requesting party sees as valuable. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft is “encouraged” by the ACID2 test.

So I wonder: what is the incentive for Microsoft to change their CSS 2 support? Is the only incentive because WASP wants them to? Or because they don’t want to look bad to developers? Or because WASP wants the media to get involved (as is already happening on Cnet) and then Microsoft would look bad to a lot more people? Also, where is the user in all this? Are they going to see any benefits?

Another tactic might be to directly link what Microsoft really wants (to keep/increase their marketshare) with what goals WASP is selling (standards compliancy). The question is, though, does standards compliancy lead to marketshare? Well, what does the success of Firefox tell us? Was Firefox’s marketshare gain only a security issue, a developer tools issue, or a standards-compliancy issue?

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1.  Bud Gibson 11:58am, Thu 17th, 2005

Josh, re: Firefox, I’ve known many users who made the switch. The two features that came up in my unscientific survey were:

1. No more pop-ups. So, kind of security, but really removal of annoyance.

2. Tabbed browsing. No more explosion of windows every time you want to view multiple web pages.

The limiting factor was the extent to which firefox could render web pages. So, one might argue that compliance was the limiting factor.

My guess would be that IE’s move to standards compliance would be a boon to users because it would allow easier switching. Microsoft will find compliance a necessity if firefox spreads enough forcing more standards compliance.

2.  Joe Clark 3:14pm, Fri 18th, 2005

Do keep in mind that I was on Six Apart’s case (*not* Anil Dash’s, actually) because they have a stated commitment to standards compliance and accessibility, a large staff, and adequate resources of all kinds to implement WCAG and ATAG *yet have not*.

Anyway, Microsoft does not stand to gain from full standards support. It must now catch up even to the level of competing free browsers. I suppose if MS did a better implementation of standards than anybody else, it could be a selling point.

I trust that, at this stage of the game, I don’t have to explain why Web standards are important, particularly to many users with disabilities.

I like your side-by-side comment layout, BTW.